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Collection complete – Tobacco Flannel

By Glenn November 16, 2014 November 16, 2014 3rdParty, Ephemera

I completed one collection recently. It is the COMPLETE collection of 1910-1915 Tobacco Flannels. These are rare, incredibly rare in fact. These were the premium options for the tobacco companies, and the redeemer had to smoke enough packs to collect enough coupons to then send in for the flannel piece.

Furthermore the ink is not waterproof, so it runs easily and can be ruined with any minor spill. What is exciting to me, is I have a complete set of Tobacco Flannels, which also means I now have a complete set of ALL tobacco related Knox College ephemera.

Whew. I can stop looking now. I have some duplicates, so I will need to think about what I am doing with those. I think at the moment that I will save them. Maybe one day I will sell them off. I will say that these flannels come up on eBay about once to twice a year. Usually in singlets, and rarely in doubles. Compared with the Tobacco Silks (which are always present) and the Card (there is only 1 paper card, and they come up several times a year) and the leathers which are also always present, the flannels are extremely rare. I am very happy to show them off. In 10 years of looking, this is the first time I have even seen 6 of these even pictured. The ability to share all of them is very exciting. You can read about the other types of tobacianna here.

The Tobacco Flannels, all 10 patterns.

Final Cyanotype post

By Glenn November 9, 2014 November 9, 2014 3rdParty

Well, here is the final batch of cyanotypes. Two small pictures are of a topic that could be at Knox. All in all, I am doubting the location of the vast majority of these. I don’t think they were taken in Galesburg, for the most part. If anyone ever sees a building you recognize, please let me know where it is from.

Without further ado, the rest of the cyanotypes. These are all from around 1855 – 1900. Well over 100 years old.

The first group is the most interesting. One is the laying of a cornerstone. Through some very good magnification, you can see there are two dates. The bottom is 1887, while the middle is 1889. This pretty clearly dates the pictures AFTER 1885 as the original documents indicate. Of great interest to me is what building is it? Nothing on the back to indicate.

Next is the Summit of Lookout Mountain (this is what the picture says on the back). Through this clue, I did some searching and found that it is actually Umbrella Rock, Lookout Mountain, TN. So, not all of the cyanotypes are even in IL.

Which means that the “Overflow – Lake George” could be any number of Lake George’s too.

Which brings us to a Steam engine which could be related to the earlier pictures supposedly at Knox. Hard to tell. Not that much detail in the picture.

And this Blueprint goes with it, I think.

For the train lovers among us, there is a series of train photos. Some are better than others, and none have a lot of detail to figure out where they were taken.

Next up, the “Bachelor’s House in Knox County.” A very neat set of pics of some gentlemen lounging and enjoying the afternoon. Is it in Knox County? Not sure at all. I hope someone recognizes the house.

Finally, two miscellaneous pictures of crowds and a beautiful garden.

More Cyanotypes – Questionable location

By Glenn October 31, 2014 October 31, 2014 3rdParty

I have finished scanning in all the cyanotype photographs (all of them dated “circa 1885” and all of them labeled “Knox County” or “Knox College”.)

I can say I have my serious doubts on the location of them. Why? The “Track Meet” pictures kill the idea this was at Knox College. The envelope is labeled “Track at Knox” but does not pass the test. Here are the pictures first.

Nice Track.

Amazing stands! Too bad Knox, in 1885 to 1890 had nothing like this. What Knox had was the original Gym, build by students, paid for by students, not at all a covered track with multi-story viewing. This was NOT at Knox College. But there are more pictures.

Oh, this is so not at Knox. This next pic could be (but is not if it is the same meet.)

I am going to post another group of the pictures without comment. I have my doubts that these are from Knox County or Knox College. They were all labeled as from Knox County or Knox College. Oh well! If you don’t try for these kinds of things, you can’t know. Carley Robison (the Archivist at Knox) will be getting all of these just in case, but I don’t think they are from Knox after all. There are some interesting pictures here. I will post them all in case someone can identify buildings. If you can, please add some info in the comments.

Misc Buildings

Knox Circa 1885

By Glenn October 19, 2014 October 31, 2014 3rdParty, Ephemera

I promised on Facebook that the newest addition to my collection was something huge, and I was not lying. Here it is. This is ONLY the larger prints (about 5×7 in for the majority). The smaller prints will be another post. There are approximately 40 prints in all! This is a treasure trove of the Knox community around 1885-1895ish.

Why can I be that precise about the dates? Partially because of the type of pictures they are. These are all cyanotypes, which was a method of photography invented by John Hershel in 1842. This process was cheap and easy to do, and it is why “blue prints” are called “blue” prints. The cyan color is essential to the process.

How do I know these are of Knox? Well, the prints had labels on them saying so. Seriously. Honestly, I have my doubts. Even after looking at them carefully, I see some inconsistencies that make me wonder. I will point them out as I go. All of these photos were purchased in a plastic bag with a cardboard backer. On the cardboard backer, someone has written a description of the picture. Here’s the thing. The bag and backer are clearly comic book storage bags and boards. The pictures were in something in the past that identified them, and at some point in the last 50 years were transferred into the current storage devices.

As you can see, this is not the most reliable of marking. In fact, if there were not two specific pictures in the group, I would not believe they were really of Knox at all.

So, I am going to give the pictures in no real particular order, but I am going to start with two small pictures, and they are the ONLY pictures that are written on the back (hence I scanned the back as well) AND you can identify the building clearly. At some point, the photographer WAS in Knox County and took pictures of at least the court house. Given that, I do believe the rest are of Knox as well. All of these pictures are dated on the backer board circa 1885.

All of these pictures were scanned at high resolution (300 px) and very high bit-rate to allow for lots of zooming and looking. None of these are watermarked (although some of them have water damage, that is different).

First up, the Court House from two different angles and two different times. In between them the bunting was removed.

That these are of Knox County Courthouse can not be denied. Zoom in on the left of the picture taken from the South West. You can even see Whiting Hall in the background. You can imagine the woman in the foreground was a student walking from the Women’s College in Whiting to the Main Campus for a class.

1885 Civil Engineering Class at Knox
Looks like they were examining a train trestle? Imagine going to class in a 3 piece suit though? Not me.

1885 Early Steam Engine at Knox 1
Windows spacing and arches over the windows are consistent with other pictures.

1885 Early Steam Engine at Knox 2 (this picture is washed out by light from the windows.)

1885 Engineering Lab 1
Notice the 4 (or 6) panel doors. These are common doors throughout the pictures for the most part, with one exception.

1885 Engineering Lab 2 (smaller and paper backed)

The windows in this picture have the same spacing as the windows above in the steam engine pictures.

1885 Engineering school pump
This has to be in a different room than the previous pictures. A room that has a very high, peaked roof. Also, notice the 9 panel door. Typically a building will not have different types of doors.

1885 Engineering school – steam model engine
Same room as above picture, but other side. Notice the huge bricked in arch on both sides of the room. Very unusual.

1885 Engineering school – thermal experiment
This is a thermal experiment, but my only thought was that in winter this room had to be freezing. There was no insulation at all. Those look like external wall bricks. brrr.

1885 Greenhouse
Did you know Knox had a greenhouse? According to this it did.

The first question in my mind was where could these pictures be taken? What building has many tall, narrow windows, with a short wall space in between? What building had a high peaked roof that could fit the steam engine in it? And, where could the green house be? Only one building, the George Davis Science Hall, built in 1911. Say what?

Here is an older image of George Davis Science Hall (the original name of the building, the “Science” has since been moved) and GDH was opened in 1911. There are two small greenhouses attached to GDH that you can see in this picture.

BUT, either the pictures are at Knox and the dates are wrong OR the pictures are not at any building at Knox but a building Knox was using and the pictures are correctly dated OR there are some pictures taken from several different locations and were all mixed up. All in all, I am uncertain if these are at Knox or not. They were sold as is, and attributed to Knox. The Courthouse is right, and the windows are right. I am going to have to spend some time looking at faces to see if any are identifiable.

Right now, I am not 100% confident that these were taken in 1885. GDH is the only building that seems possible, which would make them at least 1911.

With that said, here are two more large pictures (next week, the small ones).

1891 Mock Civil War encampment 1

1891 Mock Civil War encampment 2

I hope you enjoy!

Knox branded tobacco premiums 2

By Glenn July 20, 2014 July 15, 2014 3rdParty

Last week I showed you some of the more inexpensive tobacco premiums, and today I have some of the very rare and expensive premium items to show you. It appears that in 1914 the tobacco companies stepped up their game and created some more expensive items. All of the premiums today are from Murad Cigarettes.

For example, instead of using silk or leather, they produced one series that was on paper. [click on any image to see details]

This was called the “Duck Hunter” and is printed double sided on a heavy card stock. The ink and foil combination is very well printed with no bleeding or other signs of sloppiness in production. The foil makes it very hard to make out, but around the outside it says “Murad” in purple behind the sparkly gold. Because of the foil / sparkles no scan came out well. Sorry about that. The card is just under 2 3/4 in by 2 1/8 in in size. This card is identified as a T51 card and is part of the “College Series” which was composed of the following cards.

As you can see, Knox was only one of 150 colleges represented. Why they chose a duck hunter for Knox’s image is anyone’s guess.

Finally, we have the most fancy tobacco premiums, the felts. I have to admit, I do NOT have the complete collection of these. These felts were rare in 1914, and today they are extremely rare. I have 4 of the 9 sports.* I know for a fact I am missing hockey and tennis. I have seen both of these come up for auction and passed on the $70 price tag only to have someone else get them. They measure 3 in by 4 1/2 in plus the fringe sewn on top on bottom.

You have to look at these large and see the detail in them. Knox was one of only 15 colleges that were represented on the felts. That brings to mind why only 15, and what was going on in the US to make Knox so well known that it was one of 15 that people would seek out. Very interesting.

That is all the tobacco premiums that I know of connected to Knox. I can’t see Knox agreeing to this now or anytime in the recent past, but in 1910 – 14 it was a different time and I am sure the advertising helped Knox just as much as it did Murad cigarettes.

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* The info on 9 sports and 15 schools came from here: http://cigarhistory.info/Premiums/Felts_and_Flannels.html

Knox branded tobacco premiums 1

By Glenn July 15, 2014 July 15, 2014 3rdParty

The first tobacco premium on display is from 1910 (104 years old this year!) and are single silks given as premiums with Egyptienne Luxury cigarettes. These were part of the College and University Seals series and measure approximately 1.75″ x 3 1/8″. I have several of these, and are the most inexpensive tobacco premium available. The material is a silk fabric that is deep purple with gold thread.

[all images can be clicked to view the amazing details]

The existence of these premiums is one reason why I find it so important to differentiate between the John Finley Seal and the Seymour Seal; all of these have the John Finley Seal.

Also in 1910 (and a couple of years after) the American Cigarette Company gave away tobacco leathers when you bought a pack of cigarettes from mainly 4 brands of cigarettes; Mogul, Murad, Egyptienne Straights and Turkey Red. There are several different types and styles, but they all are on very soft leather that measures approximately 2″ by 2.5″. All of the leather is dyed a rich purple color with varying colors of a foil used for printing.

This is an oddity in this series. It is the only pennant shaped leather, and it has a nice border around it. It is a darker purple than the rest and it has a silver foil. I have only ever seen one of these for sale on eBay (and I was lucky enough to win it).

The only difference between these two leathers is the border around the right one. That border is original and was found on many of the leathers, not just the Knox leathers.

The main difference between these two leathers is the landscape (left) versus portrait (right) orientation of the leather. The scanner created more of a difference in color than really exists.

These two banners really do have a color difference, but I think it is age, not intentional. I have seen some leathers where the foil is completely or almost completely worn off.

Finally, the most fancy version of the leathers. These two are very different from all the rest. The impression of the seal was made with a wavy border and the name of the school is in a script font. Also, and this is very odd, the right one is the only Knox seal that is printed with silver instead of gold. The right one is rather uncommon and I will see 3 of left one to every 1 of the right one.

The silks and leathers are fairly common on eBay and usually sell for less than $10 each. Occasionally someone will be selling a couple together, but usually they are for sale as singletons. Sometimes they will have holes punched in them, where someone used them to cover something else, or sewn them onto other materials. I have never purchased any of those damaged leathers.

There is a lot of information available on Tobacco Premiums online. http://cigarhistory.info/Site/Premiums.html is the site I used the most when researching these items. All of the other sites had the same information. The next post will be some of the more uncommon Tobacco Premiums that were Knox branded.

http://cigarhistory.info/Premiums/Silks_and_Satins.html
http://cigarhistory.info/Premiums/Leathers.html